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8.1.  Missing Members: Poll

On the eBay Stamp Collectors discussion board, Christmas 2013

Why have so many chat board posters left the board? What was the final straw? Was it:

1. Ebay's operating techniques ?
2. Changing to the threaded board ?
3. The TROLL 12345 ?
4. The day David Benson gave up ?

What do you think?

Posted by gregsglass (759) star about me on Dec-20-2013 at 04:18 AM View Listings

    Does anyone know what happened to Antonius-Ra? I really miss seeing some of his collections.

Posted by redwoodrandy8 (409) star on Dec-20-2013 at 07:16 AM View Listings

Mitch is on "The Stamp Forum" showing his exquisite world wide collection. 

Posted by gregsglass (759) star about me on Dec-20-2013 at 09:50 AM View Listings

Hi Randy,
   Thanks I am glad he is OK, I have had  three close friends pass away in the last two months and I was concerned.

Posted by kr.baker (784) star on Dec-20-2013 at 10:32 PM View Listings

A lot of the old timers are gone, for various reasons.

Posted by antonius-ra (1181) star about me on Dec-24-2013 at 12:18 PM View Listings

Greg,  Thanks for thinking of me.  I do look in here from time to time but  find it difficult to come back to a place that is shell of it's former self.  This chat is dead, if it gets 12 posts in a week that's an event.  Yes,  I've been over on the Stamp Forum board for several months but doubt it will last much longer.  There is very little of interest there for me. There are a lot of nice people there and I would recommend it for beginners and kids.  I wish there was a chat board for, at least fairly, serious world wide collectors, but I do not know of one.  I have been constantly adding new material through out and expanding the pages on my site but do not really have anyone to talk stamps any more.

POLL:  What was the final nail in the Ebay chat board coffin.

1. Ebay's operating techniques
2. Changing to the threaded board
3. The TROLL 12345
4. The day David Benson gave up

Hurry up and have this post deleted because I linked to my non commecial stamp site that is intended to help people.
And make sure you send me another ignorant email telling me how bad I am

Posted by sheryll*net (115) star about me on Dec-25-2013 at 01:45 PM View Listings

Antonius-ra - Good to see you posting. Very nice Denmark stamps!
A question: Which is the correct link to your collection?

I have your own domain of which gives me a list of countries:
The Antonius Ra Collection World Index

And also billsey's website, where you have the world map:
The Antonius Ra Collection Presents: The World of Stamps

Posted by sheryll*net (115) star about me on Dec-25-2013 at 01:59 PM View Listings

I vote for 2, as the new threaded format wasn't acceptable to many of the "old" posters, and we lost them on that criteria alone.

It was certainly much easier for me to not drop in any more after the change, especially when it was so hard to get board reading preferences saved. Whereas the old board could be reached by one trusty bookmarked link.

Before that, we survived a lot of trolls and changes to eBay's operating techniques.

Sad to say that things are now changing due to "social media". I am losing my expat forum for just that reason.

Posted by gregsglass (759) star about me on Dec-26-2013 at 04:26 AM View Listings

Hi Mitch,
   Thank your your link. A lot of groups are falling apart. I think it is ebay's plan to get rid of them one by one, since they are not making money on them. So sad.
Happy New Year.,

Posted by antonius-ra (1181) star about me on Dec-26-2013 at 02:50 PM View Listings

"A question: Which is the correct link to your collection?"

Hiya Sheryll,  The main page has always been the map page, however the A-Z index seems to be more popular in looking for countries to view.   I would advise anyone who wants to link to it, to use the Map Index page because I would like first time users to read the page.

I really do not care for the threaded boards, they just don't seem as personal

As far as the club goes I still think the only thing that would have saved it was by starting it's own chat board about 5-6 years ago.  When I was president I tried to get the club interested in getting its own chat board but no one else showed any interest.
Many thought that if it were taken off ebay then ebay newbies or questioning members would have no where to turn.  Of course there still would have been an ebay chatboard with people using it and there was certainly no rule that EUSC members could not use it.  Now,  both seem to be on the verge of extinction.

I'm sure the club would still be going strong if we would have got our own home.  Pretty sad really :smileysad:

Posted by abt1950 (358) star about me on Dec-26-2013 at 04:26 PM View Listings

Hi Mitch,

Good to see you. 

In answer to your question, I think the threaded board was the final nail.  But it didn't have to be.  We survived and even thrived on an off-site  threaded board for awhile. on StampChat+.  Using a single thread would have been possible here too. 

But the scene had been set for the board's demise long before.  The trolls were one set of nails (the one you speak of wasn't the only one--I was driven off by another one), and eBay's increasingly  less user-friendly attitude didn't help.  The board was already limping along with only a few posts a day when  the change came.  With the rise of specialty groups and other boards on the internet, the eBay board was not longer a major player.  So posters migrated elsewhere, and unlike earlier periods, they were less likely to be replaced by new members.


But,  that said,  the EUSC hobble along, 

THERE WILL BE A MEETING OF THE EBAY USERS STAMP CLUB THIS WEEKEND, FRIDAY 12/27-12/29.  Topic: holiday- related material. Feel free to philatelic fiends related to Christmas and other holidays..


Posted by billsey (1965) star about me on Dec-26-2013 at 07:43 PM View Listings

I agree with others that the change to the threaded board was the straw that broke the camels back. The threaded format removed the chance for potential new people to get involved, since they just start a new thread with their question and don't take the time to read the other threads.

On the other hand, since I only check in every few days now, I can still read all the new posts yet have the rest of the days available for my actual collection. :-)

Posted by stamps12345 (292) star about me on Dec-27-2013 at 01:59 AM View Listings

I don't think over 200 members have left this board because of only one person .You have to look at the many members who came here to just argue and throw around insults and enjoy the steady stream of insults and one up-man-ship that this board became as less and less philatelic discussions took place .The focus of helping other collectors and learning took a backseat to proving someone wrong and piling on by others once a disagree was created .THAT IS WHAT KILLED THE OLD BOARD. ----------{remember what your mother taught you} .......there are some people you just stay away from for your own good.

Posted by antonius-ra (1181) star about me on Dec-27-2013 at 11:29 AM View Listings

About the same time they switched to the threaded board there was an exodus from ebay of many sellers that frequented the board.

Most of us are well aware of the constant changes ebay made, nearly every one of them having a negative unfriendly outcome especially when it came to sellers.  Buyers were pretty much oblivious to the changes.  As a result those involved in the exodus had no reason to visit the chat.  Any way you slice it, the blame for Ebay and the board going down hill, rest solely with ebay.  The corporate lust totally ruined the once free spirited and wonderful place it use to be.  They could have stopped the trolls if they had ever bothered to read the posts and understand what was going on here.  They also could have asked, the ebay community, if we wanted to change our board to the type that now exists, but they just do not care.   Choice number 4 was out of respect to David Benson, who for me, was the greatest asset the board had.  I knew if I had a question on stamps from the majority of countries he would have the answer.   The notski troll was very mean and terrifying and did cause many to leave but at least he did not last long, but is still lurking under the bridge.  In the very early days there were several trolls aboard but they all vanished, by around 2000.

As for resurrecting the EUSC, I'd say that conditions are not favorable.

Posted by dbenson (26858) star about me  on Dec-27-2013 at 12:57 PM View Listings



thanks for the kind comments, I do not deserve it.

I agree, the only reason for the current state is the change of style that Ebay instigated.  Nothing can be done about it ad it has to be accepted.

Anyway, to all " Seasons Greetings " and may 2014 be better Philatelically than 2013.

I think I only acquired about 4 or 5 items the whole year but I am happy with those,

David Benson

Posted by malolo (1973) star about me  on Dec-27-2013 at 04:19 PM View Listings

Hi All,

Switch to threaded Board was the last nail. Talk about losing out on "community" feeling. As mentioned above every new questioner starts a new thread with often misleading or incorrect titles. [same as some eBay sellers, LOL] Anyway I was willing to read a single thread and skim it and participate, Now what must I do read a bunch of individual questions or comments - talk about so many clicks and refreshes.

I posted a few weeks ago and placed two links in my signature at the bottom of my post. I received an email from an eBay Moderator telling me the eBay rules about links to outside web pages, etc, etc, and that it was against the rules. They were to my razor cancel exhibit and a newer refusť exhibit. I interpret that as eBay not being interested in Stamps education.

I find it very difficult to follow eBay logic that the Boards are here for a Community then disallow links to "education" pages.

Thank you eBay.  

BTW if there is a monitor reading these posts - December 25 2013 was my 15th Anniversary of buying or selling on eBay. You were probably in middle school when I bought my first stamp here!

Posted by abt1950 (358) star about me on Dec-27-2013 at 06:57 PM View Listings


about the eUSC--it may never be what it once was, for a number of reasons, but we're trying to resurrect what remains, whether on eBay or FB. 

As for eBay, they made a choice to look toward larger, professional retailers for their profits.  It's no longer a site for the individual sellers who made it a force.  They're still there, but they're not the ones that eBay caters too.

At any rate, there IS a meeting going on now.  Open bar, snacks, and of course bananas in the balcony.


Posted by antonius-ra (1181) star on Dec-28-2013 at 8:42 AM View Listings

To the last three posts, all I can say is Amen

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