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What JR collected, Jul 25, 2002
Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:24:55 PDT Auctions

Hello everyone.

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:32:21 PDT Auctions

JR-- Do you collect postal history, or just stamps?

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:38:45 PDT Auctions

Hi Lavart; I collected "Return To" type markings on cover and enjoyed it very much. JR.

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:42:13 PDT Auctions

I collect Hong Kong and really like instructional markings on HK covers. Unfortunately, so do lots of other people. I think there are others around here who collect the "return to markings."

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:50:30 PDT Auctions

It was fun because of the variety of pointing hands and colors. The one that got me started was a 1917 cover from England written by a Mother to her Son. It was returned to her with the marking "Deceased". Very tragic and moving cover.

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:51:21 PDT Auctions

He was killed in the war.

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 20:57:20 PDT Auctions

That is why I like postal history so much-- it really "brings to life" past historical events for me and can be a great learning experience.

Of course there are some people (we won't mention any names, but his initials are joke-boy) who prefer gum to history. :>)

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:00:21 PDT Auctions

Your right, covers with letters and notes about past events are very interesting to read. Their words express a world of emotions.

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:03:03 PDT Auctions

The cover I described below had several markings from each patrol or regiment it passed thru. Only it came back not deliverable.

Posted by blangoren (27) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:06:26 PDT Auctions

winson, and lavart, I've never been to a real stamp show. When people put up exchibitions, is one expected to included some covers to show the history and usage of an issue, or is it all right to do just single stamps and blocks and that sort of thing?

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:06:49 PDT Auctions

I have a "deceased" cover sent from Germany to German SW Africa and returned back to Germany in 1896. Maybe I'll have time to post it tonight (I am still at work- yecch!)

Posted by claghorn1p (318) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:08:01 PDT Auctions

JR Did you see the exhibit of California "return to" markings? SOmeone sent a cover to a small town in each California county addressed to Wylie E. Coyote, 1 Roadrunner Place, ParticularSmallTown, CA and collected each County return marking. It was an interesting exhibit.

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Posted by blangoren (27) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:08:19 PDT Auctions

Oops, Sorry JR, should've call you JR, and at least have gotten the last name right.
bjorn

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:09:45 PDT Auctions

blangoren There are different categories of exhibiting, such as stamps, postal history. There are detailed rules for exhibiting which are taken very seriously by the judges. We are fortunate to have some philatelic judges who frequent the board, including D2. I myself have never exhibited and am not even familiar with the rules. One day, when I stop lawyering and my son is out of scouting, I will exhibit.

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:15:02 PDT Auctions

Blangoren, it all depends on what you are exhibiting. If you are specialising on a subject that doesn't include used stamps no problem but if you are then it is almost mandatory (OK, similar to almost unique)to include some usages on cover.

D2

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:19:59 PDT Auctions

Claghorn, I am afraid I missed that one.

Posted by blangoren (27) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:21:24 PDT Auctions

lavart, another lawyer! (Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'd probably be one myself if I hadn't been such a lazy bum in high school).
I am amazed at the number of lawyers amongst the stamp collectors on the board. If I end up in some serious trouble one of these days, I'll be sure to ask for a browser instead of a phone call, if given the option. hehe.

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:26:14 PDT Auctions

Another interesting cover I have comes from Warsaw, Poland. From the American Legation to a "Countess Santa Eulalia" PA USA. It was registered and has two wax seals on the back. It came to Philadelphia PA and a notice sent. Cover dates 1926.

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:29:17 PDT Auctions

blangoren, it is the same here, there are so many lawyers in the stamp clubs it is difficult to have a committee meeting without one of them objecting.

Lavar, many years ago, one of that ilk (and one of the best Hong Kong collectors the world has seen) walked out of a meeting in anger as he objected to something that was said and the club never saw him again. That was R.H. Taylor and I remember one display he gave of about 100 sheets of Hong Kong prestamp covers, yes you heard that right, 100 album pages of Hong Kong pre stamp covers. Wonder what that would be worth today.

D2

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:31:26 PDT Auctions

D2 do you collect Hong Kong?

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:32:00 PDT Auctions

D2 Wow! Was that collection of covers ever sold?

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:33:36 PDT Auctions

Lavar, while I am my remembering mode, another display consisted of a combination of Australian Boxer Rebellion covers and Boer War covers. He had about 5 Australian Boxer covers, that would be about all that are in existence.

D2

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:35:45 PDT Auctions

Lavar, it was sold in London, they flew a couple of valuers out to organise the sale and transportation of the material. It consisted of about 100 albums altogether.

D2

Posted by blangoren (27) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:38:44 PDT Auctions

D2, thanks for that piece of info. I'll be sure to look around for the occasional cover. I guess that pile of Norwegian first day covers I have from the 1980's is not going to be very useful, since I only collect the modern stuff to fill holes, plus every Norway collector probably already "has them all", not unlike my nephew's giant stack of pokemon cards.
Not that I'll ever exhibit, but you never know.
JR Do postal historians try to find out as much information as possible about the recipients, who these people were, and maybe track down relatives of the people these pieces were mailed to and from? Or do you consider the case closed when you find out how the piece traveled from A to B?

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:40:29 PDT Auctions

Speaking of Hong Kong-- today I received my book titled Events in Hong Kong 1875 to 1884 . This one is going to be lots of fun. Full of references to ships sinking, burning, arriving, leaving. Hard to believe that some items are included: Jan. 29th 1875: Distribution of Prizes at the Hong Kong Central School by Governor Sir Arthur Kennedy.

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:43:00 PDT Auctions

Blangoren, most of the time for me its the usage and post office markings. If the written letter survives that is icing on the cake.

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:45:22 PDT Auctions

Now I know that on May 18, 1877 Mr. Ng Choy became the first Chinese barrister admitted to practice at the Hong Kong bar. Have to let my wife (who is Chinese and grew up in HK and a lawyer also) know about this.

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:46:02 PDT Auctions

Blangoren, you should seriously think about it as it gives you the chance to organise your material in a logical way and to know where you are weak and strong. Start off at local exhibitions and slowly advance through the different levels. Most exhibitors now use computerised annotation and it is a great advantage.

D2

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:47:30 PDT Auctions

Lavar, speaking about HK I remember being there in about 1975 and seeing a European policeman in a low rank uniform, wonder what he did to earn that honor.

D2

Posted by dbenson (2956)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:47:59 PDT Auctions

CU later, got to go out for about 4 hours,

D2

Posted by jrwinsom (118) star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:53:25 PDT Auctions

Good Night all.

Posted by lavart (626)  star about me on Jul-25-02 at 21:53:26 PDT Auctions

Going home. Will look for that "deceased" cover.


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